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Eragon Zarroc · Jan 19, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

I was referring to the fact that if a rank 5 KoaBD completes all his monuments the statue gets bumped to as if he were having rank 6 KoaBD. At that point, it doesn't matter anymore what extra stuff is added to your HoM.

Sure, Anet could possibly make new tiers, but this doesn't change the fact that basically all you need to fully complete the monuments is money. Money to buy Destroyer/Torment Weapons, money to buy Elite Armors, Hero Armors and Miniatures. The Honor Monument is the only monument not needing money, but this one is being filled as soon as you aim for GWAMM, plus some additional grind/farm.

Call me naive, but I'm still hoping Anet will reward the people who believe in the Skill>Time adagio. Implementing something into the game at this moment, which can be achieved by merely Shadow Forming Ecto's, or cashing Zkeys just doesn't seem very appealing to me.

I don't know what ur talking about witf r5 KoaBD completing all monuments and r6 bumping and what not....there are five monuments in the HoM and KoaBD adds statues to only the Monument of "Honor". This is of course because u have to have titles maxxed to have KoaBD. So technically, it is the maxxed titles that affect this monument, not KoaBD. The only things truly affected directly by what rank KoaBD you are in HoM is the title displayed as u enter and the Large Statue (not a statue in one of the 5 different monuments) becoming gradually more uncovered as the title progresses. The suggestion is to mack a completely new title unrelated to KoaBD that progresses according to the number of statues added inside the monuments (neglecting the minipet statues). I believe we have different interpretations of the words "monument" and "statue" and that is why we are not on the same page. Hopefully this cleared up what I interpret "statue" and "monument" to mean. (there are 5 monuments total and individual statues are added within each of these monuments as acheivements are earned)

On your second point, yeah. It will be a title where half or more of it will depend on money which in turn is grind. But, technically, all PvE is now is grind. Where in most games it's lvl grind, Guild Wars is just title grind. After 3 campaigns and one expansion worth of skills, PvE no longer presents a challenge in NM or HM for most people. Builds have become so overpowered that it has no longer become a question of whether people are able to complete a title, but just how much time a week do they want to spend working on it. The only thing left that requires HIGH skill lvl is PvP, but that still is a grind. If u don't agree, try getting high ranked in any one of the titles within a month only playing an hour or two a day. People throw around the word "grind" as if something requires grind, it is an absolute deteremining factor in that something not being implemented. Everything requires grind. It is just a question of a person's determination, interest, and desire to work through it. I suppose the reason that I support having a title linked to the HoM so strongly is because i have already filled most of it out and it will be something to work on after i finish maxxing PvE titles. If such a title is not implemented, i will be forced to just wander around aimlessly, quit till GW2, or go back to PvP (which i don't find too desirable an option. I have become quite lax in my playing skill after extended PvE play).

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Originally Posted by Crucist Ovv

/notsigned, seems like another stupid title, like there arent enough of m yet..

Saying that a title is stupid without reason and then saying that it should not be implemented for this reason alone shows that u have the reasoning abilities of 7 year old or you are just posting to build ur post count. if you object to a title being implemented, state how it will negatively impact the game or why it would be pointless. Otherwise, don't post at all.

MStarfire · Jan 19, 2009, 07:25 PM // 19:25

I love how nowadays everyone who suggests a new title throws in the little "this won't count toward KOABD track" caveat, as if they somehow think that will exempt them from people discussing how terrible their idea is.

Your idea is terrible.

legacyofkain85 · Jan 19, 2009, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by MStarfire

I love how nowadays everyone who suggests a new title throws in the little "this won't count toward KOABD track" caveat, as if they somehow think that will exempt them from people discussing how terrible their idea is.

Your idea is terrible.

True lol,but i love how nowadays every 2,3 days there is a new thread poping up related to titles somehow,either add new X title or make Y change to another title,so my opinion is that we don't need more titles lol,what's the point?

Eragon Zarroc · Jan 19, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by MStarfire

I love how nowadays everyone who suggests a new title throws in the little "this won't count toward KOABD track" caveat, as if they somehow think that will exempt them from people discussing how terrible their idea is.

Your idea is terrible.

Your not discussing how or why a HoM title is terrible. Your just saying that it is terrible. Once again, put a reason behind your opinion or it doesn't add much to the discussion of the suggestion. *sigh*

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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85

True lol,but i love how nowadays every 2,3 days there is a new thread poping up related to titles somehow,either add new X title or make Y change to another title,so my opinion is that we don't need more titles lol,what's the point?

I've stated the point to the addition of this title in one of my previous posts if u took the time to read them.

MStarfire · Jan 20, 2009, 01:50 AM // 01:50

It's terrible because it's unnecessary. If you're so hung up on everyone seeing how great you are, go invite random people in EotN and drag them into your hall.

OR you can wait for GW2 and everyone will see all the benefits conferred upon you and know exactly how special you are.

(hint: you're not that special)

Tender Wolf · Jan 20, 2009, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I think there are too many titles as there is, plus the Hall of Monuments is used to show the titles you have, so why should it have a vice-versa effect?

If you ask me, there are a bazillion other things that should be changed in the Hall of Monuments, starting with more customization. Allow us to choose what statue goes where or at least which ones go on display even if we can't choose the exact location they're in. I had my Fellowship monument perfect, exactly the way I wanted it, then tonight I got Olias primeval armor, put him in there, and BOOM! My perfect display gone. In fact, only one statue messes it up, so at the very least allow us to move ONE thing...

Actually, now that I think about it, the rest of the HOM is okay except the limited weapon thing. Oh, and if you add a hero to the HOM, it has to have "ascended" armor, yet its statue shows up in its original armor. If it has to have special armor to be placed in there, then show the statue in said special armor, not the original stuff.

In conclusion, there are other tings more important that should be changed in the HOM. A title showing your progress inside is pointless - if you have 10 titles maxed, display People Know Me and people will know what your HOM looks like.

Eragon Zarroc · Jan 20, 2009, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by MStarfire

It's terrible because it's unnecessary. If you're so hung up on everyone seeing how great you are, go invite random people in EotN and drag them into your hall.

OR you can wait for GW2 and everyone will see all the benefits conferred upon you and know exactly how special you are.

(hint: you're not that special)

It can be argued that all the titles are unnecessary. What makes the implementation of this one even more so unecessary than the other ones? I don't know about you, but I feel that this title would have more signifigance than a title telling u how many games of chance you lost.....

Tender Wolf brings up a valid point. They should focus on improving the quality of the HoM instead of working to add another title to the game that is attached to it. I feel that she is absolutely correct.

Rick Thene · Jan 20, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

Tender Wolf brings up a valid point. They should focus on improving the quality of the HoM instead of working to add another title to the game that is attached to it. I feel that she is absolutely correct.

This is the first smart thing that you have said in this thread, and you're still contradicting yourself. If you feel that way then why keep advocating this useless idea?

I also enjoy digging myself in deeper.

Everything Tender Wolf said is why I'm against this idea. The HoM is a beyond a joke as it stands now, and I'd love to see a revamp before any more pointless clutter like this title rears it's ugly head.

Yawgmoth · Jan 21, 2009, 04:57 AM // 04:57

GW really Needs an alternative to GWAMM.
An Account-based Achievement aggregation mechanic, not restricting the playstyle to extreme dedication to just one character. Something to go with the spirit of the Account-HoM update... but unlike HoM itself it must be something that actually has a meaning inside GW1, not just GW2.

I've been suggesting that KoaBD title should count Unique Max'ed Titles on the Account for years. Sadly it's too late for it to change as a couple people wanted to grind it repeately on more than 1 character. So the only way out is a new title, but simply a copy?
I just found out there can be something better!

I've seen this thread...
...first thought:

HoM title omgwtf this must suxx hard!!!1! right?

I mean, a HoM title? Why do you want HoM to matter in GW1? Right now HoM is completely meaningless if player is not interested in GW2 and filling some monuments now is highly disadvantageous compared to just doing that when GW2 releases.

Like filling Armors, Minipets or Weapons monuments now is a horrible waste. It has completely no effect on me in GW1, having a full HoM gives me absolutely nothing in GW1. I'm not crafting any armors just to put them in HoM and then delete because of no room to keep them, and I'm not dedicating any minis although I do collect them. I can just do all that at the day of GW2 release, and until then enjoy the ability of trading full value minis for better profit and keeping stacked armbraces instead of getting and customizing weapons I wouldn't use.

The only part of HoM worth working on and filling right now (with the April update in mind) is the "Honor" - Titles and Achievements monument. This is the one you can't just fill immediately when GW2 comes out, and this is the one you don't have the feeling of Wasting something when you work on it. And most importantly it's the one that can't simply be bought like 4 others can (you can unlock great majority of it without any money).

and when I realised that, there came...
...my second thought:

This inspired an GODAWESOME IDEA!!

THIS:
Make a new Account title that counts the number of total Unlocks on your "Honor" monument in your Account-HoM.

The key to awesome is:
Ignoring the other 4 monuments (minis, heroes, armors and weapons). for the purpose of a new title.
Count only the unlocked statues of the ACC-"Honor" monument.

I would just absolutely love if they did that, I'd love it far more than my many-years-old dream of Account version of KoaBD. Such a great motivation to do every single one of the 52 unlocks for me (I don't even have half of them yet, but I consider all of them reasonable). And it could be a new purpose for players who don't believe in GW2 (see the vaporware threads) and KoaBD title never fit their playstyle.

THIS would be the best AND simpliest way of showing a PLAYER'S (not character's) total comprehensive achievements standing, without stupid restrictions. A worthy reward for the most dedicated fans who experienced both PvE and PvP in all formats.

Max'ing this 52/52 would be much more meaningfull and show more player's skill and versatility than GWAMM does, while being doable without having to stick to just 1 character, and would be actually reasonably achievable compared to an absurridic grind required for rank7 GWAMM that some players want.

THIS would be the much needed alternative to GWAMM for all of us who don't want extreme dedication to just 1 char and prefer free playstyle. Totally in the spirit of the Account-HoM update itself.

And both titles can exist together. The new title wouldn't hurt the meaning of any existing title or achievement, nobody would lose anything, and I can't see a single 1 good reason against it.
Don't oppose this hot idea because you have small number